Heartcry of David: Prophetic Worship Connecting Israel and the Church

David (00:00):
Welcome everybody to another episode of the Covenant and Conflict Podcast. Today we have a special episode. My friends, Micah and Abby are here from the heart cry of David. We’re so glad that you’re here. Thanks for being

Micah (00:12):
Here. So glad to be here.

David (00:13):
So I want people to just know you because I love you and you guys have made such a big impact here at Gateway at the Center for Israel. So can you tell us a little bit about who you guys are, your story, your family, and then your ministry?

Micah (00:27):
Well, I’m going to start because my wife Abby is amazing at filling in all the things that I don’t. I don’t hit. But we just feel so privileged and honored to be running with the Lord in this time and season, I think on the earth. Never has there been such technology such as we’re utilizing today to reach many people. I think back to the words of Jesus when he said, even greater things will you do. And I used to just be like, oh, that’s wild. I don’t understand that. And yet the more technology becomes prolific throughout the world, the more we can reach people that obviously him standing on a mountainside

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Could

Micah (01:10):
Only maybe reach a few thousand. Here we’re able to reach tens of thousands and beyond.

(01:15):
So I feel so privileged sometimes like to live in the times that we live in. But my wife and I, we were worshipers. We led worship. We did ministry. I was a worship pastor and a worship teacher and kind of wore a lot of different hats in ministry. And we had experience in a Christian background, non-denominational circles, spirit filled circles, and then also in the Messianic movement. We attended Messianic congregations more when we were probably younger, middle school to high school. And that had a profound impact, I believe, on our lives and how God began to stir in us a heart for the Jewish people, a heart for Israel.

(01:59):
So we got married. I’m serving at a Messianic congregation doing worship and being a leader there. And we start having children and the Lord gives us- We haven’t stopped. We haven’t stopped having children. We have. We have how many children, sweetheart? We’re six. We’re done. And yet she looks as beautiful as the day I first met her. People come up to us and they go, “You can’t have six children. Look at your wife.” And I’m like, “I know, but I’m wearing the stress. It’s all on my face.” No, I’m kidding. We’re very blessed. We’re very thankful for our little ones. And we see the fruitfulness that God can bring when you just give the Lord everything. So we were in a season of really saying, “Father, we’ve been in the Messianic world for a while.” We had been in the church world for a while and we started to see a discrepancy in the way that these two worlds interacted with one another.

(02:55):
Christian and methane. Christian and Messianic Jewish, I would say, were the two. Both having powerful identities, Jewish believers, knowing who they are in Messiah and obviously Christians knowing who they are in Jesus. And yet there seems to be so much miscommunication. There’s a disconnect. A disconnect.

Abby (03:15):
Or even a lack of awareness of the others, I

Micah (03:17):
Guess

Abby (03:18):
You

Micah (03:18):
Could say. And so watching a lot of people walk on eggshells and maybe even ourselves included, we began to get what we felt was the Lord’s heart for unity between these worlds and between believing Jewish people and believers in Israel and believers in the nations. And it’s funny how I think God takes you in the field of the familiar, just like David, he’s out in the fields, he’s a shepherd. That’s what David knows. He sings songs to God. He defends his sheep. And David comes to David. I mean, David gets a revelation from the Lord. I believe in that place where God tells him, “Hey David, I’m actually a shepherd too. I actually care for my flock, Israel,

(04:02):
And here’s who I’ve called you to be. ” And so we’re worshipers. We’re worship leaders, we’re serving in that capacity. And I felt like the Lord gave a vision one day. It was on my wife’s birthday. I’m seeing this picture in my mind’s eye. The Lord can use our imaginations. He gave it to us. And I’m seeing all these worshipers from different backgrounds worshiping in this setting and it’s beautiful and they’re recording a song together. And I tell this to my wife, Abby, and I’m like, “I don’t even know what this means.” And she’s like, “Well, we have to pray about it. ” And I was like, “Oh, we do? ” It was like that wasn’t on my radar to take this dream and to pray into it. And so as we began to pray into it, you’re the one who I believe got the revelation of this is a picture of the nations.

(04:49):
This is a picture of believing Israel and they’re worshiping together as one. What if God’s calling us to do a project where we worship and write songs together, believing Jews, believing Gentiles in unity together?

Abby (05:04):
Well, and I think we had realized too on the congregational level that when we came together as a body and worship and we experienced his presence, a lot of our preconceived notions about another entity, a group or people, like the Lord can dissolve those things.

David (05:20):
The walls kind of

Abby (05:21):
Come down and worship. And so we had experienced such mighty times in his presence that we were like, “Well, what if he wants to do that on a larger scale? If we were to bring Jew and Gentile together and we were to worship together and experience his presence, what could he do? How could he bond us and unite us?” We need his presence for that. And so that was the avenue that we really felt him. He was like, “Listen, I have put you in this place of worship and I’ve cultivated my heart for worship through you in this area. And so now I want you to bring groups together and let’s see what I can do when you come together and worship me. ”

Micah (05:56):
Yeah, so good. And yet when God gives you a vision of something he’s called you to, I feel like it should be overwhelming. It should be more than what you can handle on your own. If God gave me a vision of going and buying bubble gum for my kids, I’d be like, “No problem. I’ll be back in 10 minutes.” But when the Lord gives you something that you’re like, “This seems impossible.” At that time we had three children, we were literally paycheck to paycheck and God’s like, “I want you to do an international worship trip that may cost $100,000. Are you in? ” And I’m like- No, we’re out. We’ve been disqualified, right? We’re disqualified because of our economic status right now and what’s going on. I was like, “You didn’t call Donald Trump. I’m the wrong guy. I don’t have millions of dollars.”

(06:48):
And the Lord was like, “I didn’t ask you if you had the money. I asked if you were willing.” And so we were like, “Yes, we’re willing.” And began to pray. And it took time. We began to share this vision with different people. We began to share it with leaders at Gateway who we felt led to just share what we were doing. Wayne Wilkes was one of those people that when we were here just loved on us and just heard our story and was like, “We believe in what God’s given you. We believe this is from the Lord. His heart is for unity between Jew and Gentile. We want to just bless you guys.” We were like, “Great, pray for us.” We were just wanting some encouragement, but at that time, Gateway sowed in, other ministries sowed in and the Lord provided miraculously. So we did this project between worshipers in America, worshipers in Israel, believers coming together, and that was our first project.

(07:46):
And when it was accomplished, it felt like we climbed Mount Everest. We did what we were supposed to do. We’re out of here. Praise the Lord. This

David (07:53):
Was like a one time. It was a one off.

Micah (07:54):
Absolutely. We were done. And were you guys leading at a congregation or at a church? Yes. We were still at the Messianic congregation we were serving at.

David (08:02):
And you guys are Gentiles?

Micah (08:03):
Yes. Okay. And that’s good. It’s good for our

David (08:05):
Audience. We all have Jews and Gentiles in here. That’s

Micah (08:08):
So true. You don’t say it. People are like, “Maybe he’s Jewish.” Maybe he’s Jewish. Yeah. I’m Italian, so you could get a little Middle Eastern European thing.

David (08:17):
Get some vibes.

Micah (08:18):
Yeah, give some vibes. But no, I felt like honestly, much of the Messianic movement really seems to pour into the Jewish identity, which is important. The Jewish culture is an amazing culture. It’s handed to them by the Lord, but Gentiles are also important. The things that we bring as Gentiles are critical to the body as well. And so in the church, obviously, it’s reversed. It’s like, what? Jewish people believing in Jesus? Aren’t they just Christians now? And you do such an amazing job. Everyone here at the Gateway Center for Israel does such a good job of lovingly laying out God’s heart that there are these two identities that are unique and powerful, especially when they come into unity, just like male and female. It’s covenantal unity, Jew and Gentile, covenantal unity. So I’m going to let my wife sort of talk about, we finished that first project and we were like, whew, we survived.

(09:12):
We made it. Lord, you’re so awesome. And then he kind of began to reveal some other things. So ground

David (09:18):
Me real quick. When is this? What year are we in?

Abby (09:23):
2015 we started, I believe 2016 is when we actually recorded our album in September in Israel. And then we stepped away from full-time ministry at our church and just kind of gave our schedules to the Lord. And we were like, “Well, whatever.” This was

David (09:39):
After the first project?

Abby (09:40):
Yes, after the first project.

David (09:41):
Was it already the heart cry of David?

Abby (09:43):
Yes. We had established ourselves as heart cry of David and we were really just kind of … I think we had started to receive some requests to come and minister in different congregations to share our message and our heart. And we were excited about that. Obviously it was challenging because we have children. We at that time had been in a church and so we were like, “Well, how do we straddle this world of now needing to

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Travel?”

Abby (10:04):
So we felt the grace of the Lord to step away and to kind of pursue heart cry full time. And we moved back to Texas. So we came and landed here in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. It’s

David (10:14):
A great decision. Should happen again.

Abby (10:17):
It was great. We loved being here, the support, the encouragement. It really encouraged us as we launched and kind of got established. And the Lord led us to do our second project, which was a collaboration with the UK and that was amazing. It took about two years because truly when the Lord would give us a vision for a nation, he would then send us to that nation and we would cultivate relationship. We would go and pray and ask the Lord to connect us with leaders. And he so faithfully would with different church leaders and worshipers. And so we would just take our time because to us, it’s all about relationship, right? It’s not a transaction. Let’s do a project and then we’re done. No, we’re really wanting to build relationship and build family. And so we would take time to really build those relationships and connect and then usually the Lord would just kind of open up naturally the opportunity to record and to bring them together with believers in Israel.

David (11:14):
And so when you say project, is that album?

Abby (11:17):
Yes.

David (11:18):
So your vision was we’re going to really pray, God’s going to give us a nation, start in America, then he gave you the UK.

Abby (11:29):
Yes.

David (11:29):
So then you just go to the UK, pray, meet people, have no idea what the map’s going to look like.

Abby (11:35):
Absolutely. Blank slate.

David (11:36):
Blank slate.

Abby (11:37):
Just point and Lord, lead us.

David (11:39):
And what the end goal is to find whoever the Lord’s highlighting from the UK, representing the church and maybe the Gentile, bringing the people that you have already had relationship with in Israel and then doing an album for unity. Where does the name Hartcrive David come from?

Micah (12:00):
That’s a great question. I really believe that the patriarch David had a revelation that was unique. We talk about different covenants and that God lays out, the Abrahamic covenants or the Nawaka covenant. But David’s covenant is really unique in that it’s the first time we began to see a man on the earth realizing that the Messiah is going to come through his lineage, literally. And we realized through David that he’s like, “If you’re going to have all the earth one day, and it’s going to belong to you, it’s going to be your footstool, what can I do to bring about that kind of connection between earth and heaven?” David writes in the Psalms, he’s like, “All the nations are going to come here to Jerusalem and they’re going to worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.” He got this Jew Gentile unity that seems so elusive sometimes for us today.

(13:02):
And he fought for it and he even supplied so much for the building of the temple that obviously Solomon, his son would build and erect, but I believe his very life is a picture of fighting for that unity.

David (13:14):
Yeah, that’s so good. And when you said that, I was even thinking about when he, right before he slays Goliath, his kind of taunt back to Goliath is today the nations are going to know that there’s a God in Israel. Wow. So there’s even that Jew Gentile understanding there that I think was, it was clearly mentioned Abraham, blessing to the nations and Jacob, but David did have a unique kind of realization of like, why is Goliath falling going to be a spectacle because the nations are going to know there’s a God in Israel.

Abby (13:51):
And David also understood how important the presence of God was. And he did everything he could to establish that opportunity for his presence to come and meet with his people. And so I do think that’s where we pulled from that as well was like, we need God’s presence in this. His presence brings unity. And so that is our heart cry. I like David’s heart cry is, Lord, come be with us, inhabit us. We want to be one with you and we want to experience your presence.

David (14:17):
Yeah. So take us back to UK. You fly to the UK, do you have relationship in the UK?

Abby (14:25):
We eventually have relationship. Our prayer was really, Lord, connect us with leaders that want to know more about you and your heart for Israel. We want to influence those who are influencing your body in the UK. And so he did. He connected us with some amazing pastors and some worship leaders and we were able to, we actually recorded an acoustic album in the UK with some of them and then it just naturally, their response was, “We want to go to Israel. We want to experience God’s heart in Israel.” And it’s honestly been a very natural response for a lot of the leaders that we do connect with after you share God’s heart and you’re building these relationships, it awakens a desire to actually go.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
Totally.

Abby (15:09):
And maybe they’ve never quite had that desire so strongly. They’ve heard of Israel. Or

David (15:13):
They win, but it was like straight tourism

Abby (15:16):
And

David (15:16):
Then we’re out.

Abby (15:17):
But now they want to go build relationship. And that’s truly been our heart is that it wouldn’t just be like, “Oh, a pilgrimage, you went to Israel and then left.” Check. No, you want to meet Israel. Israel has a face. Israel is a people and we’re called to be one with them. And so that is our desire is to truly like strengthen that heart and the believer that they go, “I need to know who Israel is. ” And so we did. We took our group to Israel and we filmed and recorded a couple, I don’t know, it was probably a smaller album, but we did a live album there with them and it probably takes, I think we record for about two weeks and then everybody goes home and it’s just a really hard time because you bond so well over these projects and then it takes about a year of production to then release an album.

(16:05):
And our desire was honestly to be able to go back to the UK and tour. But right after we came home from our UK project, the next week COVID hit. I

David (16:14):
Knew COVID was coming.

Abby (16:15):
And it like shut, obviously we know it shut everything down and it was quite a dormant year, but it was fine. We were able to build the production side of that project and just kind of, it just feels like you’re being obedient to what God gives you and you’re planting seeds and then you’re like, “Well, that didn’t do what we thought it was going to do. ” But it’s still, it’s just an offering that we give him and he gets to do with it what he wants.

David (16:39):
And the church in the UK, I vaguely remember you telling me, wasn’t it a more liturgical

Micah (16:46):
Church? Yes. One of the churches that we had the privilege of speaking at and doing worship at was a Wesleyan

David (16:53):
Church. That’s what it was.

Micah (16:54):
And so we were really blown away at their openness, honestly, to have us, to invite us in and to share about God’s heart for Israel. It’s something that unfortunately, and you speak to this in amazing ways, unpacking it biblically, but the types of antisemitism that have just creeped into elements of the church that they don’t even know. Become

David (17:17):
Normal.

Micah (17:18):
They just become normal. And so when you come saying like, “But this is God’s heart scripturally for his people that he didn’t cut them off and didn’t say, I’m never going to have anything to do with you. ” On the contrary, that the church has their promises through the Abrahamic

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Connection

Micah (17:35):
To what God’s promised him. And so we’re connected to Israel intrinsically and they seem to receive that or many seem to just be like, “We’ve not heard that like that before.” So that’s probably been the most incredible thing is to witness people in the nations become awakened to the reality of the Jewish people being alive today,

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Being

Micah (17:57):
In their land today, their land of promise, and that they love the same Messiah that these church goers love and they’re like, and they’re alive now. I might be jumping ahead, but our third project, our last project was in Italy and we had the privilege of having members of the Gateway Center for Israel, we had Sarah and Jeff Hermeling, we had Mikayla and David, your beautiful wife with us and just everybody that was on that trip, the parts that we got to be together, travel, this was something more than just worship. Even the worship was incredible.

(18:37):
It was unpackaging the heart of God for the Jewish people and I believe the heart of God for those in Italy, how much he sees them and loves them that we, unlike our other projects, Italy was worship, it was unity, but it was also look at God’s heart throughout scripture. We felt like Abby shared, she opened the book of Hebrews and she opened the book of Romans and she was reading from some of them and had some of these leaders from Italy and Israel read out of these portions of these books in our Bible that so many were like, we didn’t realize the Israelis were like, we didn’t realize the book of Romans is alive. Here are people from Rome that love the same God we love. And these Italians from all over and from Rome and Sicily, they’re going, we didn’t realize the book of Hebrews is like, and so much of the Bible is about you and you’re alive and you worship the same God that we serve and you love him, you worship Yeshua, we call him Jesus, but we are family and that was just incredible.

David (19:39):
Yeah. The context of understanding who those books or letters were written to, it brings a lot of clarity like who is the kingdom of priests? If I only read scripture as me and the church, then I can take something that was supposed to be Israel’s call and just make it mine. And sometimes I feel like we actually get to the right place, but we just get there the wrong way. Like Jeremiah, 2911, it’s like the plans that God has for us or the fact that he won’t leave us, people, Christians, Gentiles will read something like that, a statement like Jeremiah and say, “That’s for me. ”

Abby (20:18):
And

David (20:19):
It’s like, “Well, that was actually God’s promise to Israel or to the tribe of Judah to never leave or forsake them, to have a new covenant with them.” It does apply to you because you’re grafted into them. So you got to the right point. Yes, you can make that about God’s faithfulness to you, but it’s because you’re grafted in, not because you replaced them. So it’s like you got to the right end, you just got there the wrong way.

Abby (20:45):
Well, we do that with the Lord’s heart for unity. So much of the church, we can talk about like, “Oh, he loves for his children to be one. So we’re going to contend for unity in our local church.” Yes, but he actually has a very specific plan for unity and two groups that he’s really calling to come into unity together. Can we apply it to ourselves, to our local church? Absolutely. And we should strive for unity among each other, but we should also really actively strive for unity between what he has truly called us to strive. It’s like

David (21:17):
The foundation of unity. The other things can build on

Abby (21:19):
Top of that. Right, exactly.

David (21:20):
If we don’t have that piece.

Abby (21:21):
Yeah. And I think he’s like, “Okay, come on. ”

Micah (21:24):
Yeah, building on the beach. That’s right. Start a little surf shop on the beach in Hawaii. That’s where I’m called, Lord. But you know what? When we ask the Lord what’s on his heart for us to carry uniquely, that’s a scary, wonderful prayer.

(21:42):
That was the prayer I believe that got us to that revelation of what we were called to be a bridge between Israel and the nations came from a season of, Lord, what would you have us do? Lord, what’s on your heart to do? Yeah. What have you made us to do? How can we more fully walk in that? And those were scary prayers because you’re like, “What if he calls me to something that I don’t feel I’m equipped to or I don’t even want to do it? ” And yet it’s in that surrender that I think we can fully be more alive in our identities. And as Gentiles who love Israel and love the Jewish people and want them to see their Messiah, we feel like we’re in a way prophetically fulfilling something that will happen when the Lord rules and reigns from Jerusalem. It says that all the nations will come up and celebrate feast days of the Lord in Jerusalem.

(22:34):
And here we are getting to like fly these leaders and worshipers from different nations, fly them to Israel, show them Jerusalem, unpackage God’s heart, introduce them to believing Jewish people and say, “Israel is alive and you’re called to be united to God’s plans for her and in serving her, in knowing her and her people,

(22:58):
God’s going to fulfill things in your nation, in your ministries because they’re going to sow into you as you’re sowing into them.” And that’s just so undoing. And so it is a good point to say, yes, we believe this ministry that God has given to us to steward is to bless the nation of Israel, but then we have other amazing people who are in Israel, worshipers and leaders and they’re like, “We need to go to the nations. We need to pour out in other lands and share the covenants that God has invited them into from our people and love on them and worship with them and teach them

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Who

Micah (23:36):
They are. ” That has probably been the most powerful thing to see it as a two-way street.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Totally.

Micah (23:42):
It’s never one way with the Lord.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah.

Micah (23:44):
He’s always doing holistic things.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yeah.

David (23:48):
Well,

Micah (23:48):
It reminds me

David (23:49):
Of, like you said, the covenant of male and female in marriage, Ephesians five- Absolutely. He says, “Husbands love your wives. Wives honor your husbands.” They’re supposed to serve each other, love one another, sharpen one another. And so it’s the same thing with Jew and Gentile. It’s like, we should be blessing Israel and Israel’s calling from the beginning was to bless the nations. So it only comes to that unity and fulfillment when both are serving, not when one’s receiving. Yes. And I think we’ve done that for too long.

Micah (24:19):
And I think it starts with prayer. I think it’s so easy to mentally ascend to elements of the Bible.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
I

Micah (24:27):
Mean, we can mentally ascent to so many things. I think we’re the most knowledgeable in the West because we attain knowledge and we gather it up, we collect it and we research, but I know that God’s like pray into what my word says, ask me to give you wisdom about it. And when you do that, don’t be surprised that it challenges you. It stretches your ideas and even myths that you’ve believed about following the Lord and it will take you to where he’s called you to be. That’s so good.

Abby (24:57):
I think as believers, we want to know what God’s will is for us, right? It’s like, Lord, show me. Show me where you want me to be. I want to do it. That’s my heart’s desire is to serve you in every way. And I do believe, I know he has shown us very specific ways to serve him, but there is also that initiative of any individual believer to look at what his word says and to insert ourselves into that story and say, “I want to be an answer to these things that are on your heart.” He lays out his heart throughout scripture. We were so convicted by Yeshua’s prayer when he was contending for unity saying, “Oh, it’s my heart that these groups, Jew and Gentile, they would be one. They would know what you father and I experienced this oneness that was on his heart.” And so I think we were able to go, “Lord, I know.

(25:47):
I already know what your heart is for us. I already know what you’re calling us to. It’s just a matter of narrowing kind of how we’re going to run in that.

(25:55):
” And I don’t know. I just think if the body would truly begin to look at his heart on certain things, I think sometimes we’re so often just willing to sit back and say, “Show us, Lord, show us what you want us to do. ” And he’s literally like, “I’ve shown you. ” Ask me how, how I’m going to call you to do it. But that’s our desire truly is like we want to be an answer to the prayer that Jesus has prayed and we want to serve him in the things that really his heart is longing for us to serve him in.

David (26:23):
Yeah. I got to flashback to my youth pastoring days when students are like, “I just want God to speak to me. ” It’s like, “Have you read your Bible?” Nope, never haven’t read it. Well, he did speak a lot in there. We should maybe start with, again, the foundation. Start with the foundation, build upon that, like where I should go to college. That’s a great thing to ask and get direction on, but the foundation of hearing from the Lord should be his words. Absolutely. So building upon that, I think that’s good for all of us. And that really brings me into what I want to basically make my last question, because I know we have to wrap up pretty soon, you guys got to get back. What should the average person do pertaining to this Jew Gentile unity? Predominantly Gentile Christians are watching this podcast and exist on the earth.

(27:13):
We’re just the greater percentage.

Speaker 5 (27:15):
Sure.

David (27:16):
What are we supposed to do if I’m in a church and maybe I’m in one of the few churches that do get this unity, but maybe I’m not. Is there something I can do individually or is it only put heart cry David album on during my quiet time? Just stream our songs, that’ll do it.

Micah (27:33):
No. That’s a great question. It’s a good

David (27:35):
Place to start.

Micah (27:37):
Absolutely. Just that the fact that you have a heart to watch this podcast and to learn more about God’s heart for Israel is a great start. Great

David (27:45):
Step.

Micah (27:45):
It’s a great step. And I believe that what we pray about begins to impact our own hearts.

(27:52):
When I pray about my children, it grows in my awareness of them and what they’re going through. When I pray for my wife, it grows my awareness for her. The Lord says, “Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.” Pray that she would have peace inside her walls and her borders. As we prayed for Jerusalem, as we prayed for the Jewish people, this heart began to develop in us. It’s not an easy thing to think about people who have different customs than maybe we’re used to or do things differently, but the more we interact and prayer over the things God says to pray about in his word and we read those scriptures, we need to apply them. And I believe that that is the first step to getting a heart for the things God cares about and then progressing from there. There are believers in the land of Israel, ministries you can research.

(28:42):
All of us have probably internet and can look up things. It’s an amazing time we live in and you can get connected with people that love the Lord in Israel, but God is constantly, I think, challenging me to pray into the things he says he cares about. And so I think that’s a place I would start at first.

Abby (29:02):
Yeah. And I would just add to that. I think getting to know somebody who is a Jewish believer, maybe even an unbeliever, but especially a Jewish believer that you can begin to build relationship with is a big deal because until you have a face to put with Israel, sometimes it’s easy to keep it kind of far off in your thinking and in your prayer life. I do-

David (29:24):
Or politicized.

Abby (29:25):
And I know like after the October 7th attack, because just before that happened, we had connected all of our Italian friends with believers in Israel. And so when that happened, they were literally able to say, “I know who I’m praying for. I know who we are standing with. ” Totally. And it was just faceless before and it’s made such a huge impact to now have a face to put to what we’re praying for. It’s

Speaker 3 (29:50):
So good.

Abby (29:51):
And so I think if there’s any way for you to get to know somebody who is a believer in Israel or a Jewish person to connect with, that’s a great start just to start Putting, I don’t know, connectivity and relational aspects to those prayers.

David (30:05):
That’s so good. That was always one of my biggest burdens. And sometimes I use burden in a good way. It’s like, oh, it’s my burden on my heart and sometimes burden’s a bad thing. This is the bad one. The bad burden that I had. When people would leave Israel and then they would, this was pre-October 7th, but rockets would hit Israel or whatever. And their first inclination was, “Oh, that’s crazy. I’ve been there.” And that spoke to me that they didn’t meet anybody because that wouldn’t be your first inclination if it was your neighborhood or if it was where your kids go to school. Your first jump would be, “Are they okay? Are the people that I know they’re okay?” And so it showed that people are going to Israel for the tourism, for the checklist to see the sites, which everyone will tell you is incredible.

(30:54):
And you need to do what’s doing. But it’s got to be at least half of the reason you go because if you’re only going in, I’ve heard it said from Israelis only interacting with the dead stones and not the living stones of Israel, then you don’t leave truly with the heart

(31:11):
That God has because God’s heart is for the land. I was reading this morning, I think it was Deuterteronomy. His eyes are always on the land. So God does care about the land, but something Nick Lesmeister has shared with me and I think he probably learned it from a Messianic rabbi or something. Anytime we value or put land over people, that’s a graveyard. Land over people is a graveyard. So if we value land over people, then we have a graveyard in our hearts essentially. So we have to value it, but put it in this proper priority to the Jew first. It all comes back. So before we leave, and don’t share if you can’t, is there another nation coming up? Is that TBD? Is that, David, stop talking? Let’s add this part out.

Micah (32:04):
We are praying. We’re praying about a specific nation.

David (32:07):
So if you’re out there in the nations right now, you just pray. It

Micah (32:09):
Could be you. It could be you. But coming for you, Ireland. Oh, no. We are always in prayer. I mean, I think that’s also a key too. It’s like pray continually is what Paul says. And so we believe in that. And we are praying for a specific nation. Whether they are the next project, I’m not sure. You have to kind of just submit everything. But we do feel there is another nation on our hearts to collaborate with. And that’s the later. I’m not listening later. I’ve done that too many times.

Abby (32:41):
When we were in the UK doing our project, the Lord very clearly spoke to us that Italy was the next nation. And when we were in Italy doing one of our round tables, the Lord started speaking to us about this next nation that we’re praying about.

Micah (32:54):
That’s true.

Abby (32:55):
There’s a little bit that we do put a little bit of weight on that word and we’re just continuing to hold it loosely and set it before the Lord and his timing and everything. But we do feel he has kind of started preparing our hearts. It’s just more of like, win, Lord.

David (33:09):
That’s good. I feel like waiting for the next Marvel movie to be dropped. We’ll put some Easter eggs in there. Yeah, Easter egg. You start getting Oriental rugs behind you. You’re like, “Where’s that rug made?” Right. That would

Abby (33:20):
Be great.

David (33:21):
I keep people tuning in. I like this. Well, thank you guys for being here. Thank you. How you live is your biggest testament. How you guys love each other, how you guys love your family, what you do way before any album comes out and the things you do after that nobody sees is truly the ministry that I think the Lord loves the most and your biggest impact to the world and how you guys lead is just how you guys love your family and love each other. So honored anytime we get to

Abby (33:55):
Connect. Appreciate that. We appreciate

David (33:57):
You guys. Love you. We love you. So thank you for tuning in for the Covenant and Conflict Podcast. If you want to hear more heart cry of David, Spotify, YouTube. YouTube, especially YouTube. Especially too. They have videos on YouTube.

Abby (34:10):
That’s right. You can watch it.

David (34:11):
Heart Cry of David. Is there anything else that they need to know about? That’s it. Is their website?

Abby (34:15):
Yes, there is. Heartcryofdavid.com.

David (34:16):
Heartcryofdavid.com. They locked down that early. That’s

Abby (34:19):
Right. We

David (34:20):
Got it. Well, thank you guys for being here. We love you. Thanks for having us. See you next time.