The Church Without Israel: What our Churches are Missing!

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Go ye. Therefore teach all nations, who did Jesus give the great commission to? He gave it to his disciples. In context, Jewish disciples context. He gave it to his Jewish disciples. So if he’s saying these who know me and those they would later reach, it was almost like Jesus in that moment was prophesying. They’re going to do this great commission that I’ve given them. They’re going to reach the nations, but I don’t want ’em to just reach the nations. I want them to be one. Then he goes, as you and I are one, because he’s praying to his father. That’s covenantal interdependent unity. So I want them to be one as you and I are one. And he goes on to say this, David, so that the world may believe you sent me.
Welcome back to the Covenant and Conflict Podcast where we talk about ancient truths and modern issues. Today we have two amazing gifts with us. Sarah Herling from our own team at the Center for Israel oversees all of our partners. Sarah. Hello.
Hi. Hi.
And the other gift we have is Petra Scott, all the way from Florida who’s going to be with us today talking about these ancient truths and modern issues. We want to dive right in. So Petra, you are the president and CEO of a ministry called Road to Jerusalem.
Correct.
I’d love for you to tell your story a little bit because you were a pastor’s kid, grew up in ministry, probably like most of us who grew up in the church, had little to no understanding of Ju Gentile, why that is important or matters maybe for the context of Jesus as a Jewish person, but maybe not much after that. So will you tell us a little bit about how you grew up and how you came into the knowledge of what you’re walking into today?
Yeah, I would love to. So excited to be here with you all. So grew up as a PK West side of Chicago. My dad pastored a church there called Rock of Our Salvation Evangelical Free Church. Yes, that was,
That’s a great name,
Full name of the church. He was in the evangelical denomination and I grew up youngest of eight and I learned a lot from my siblings of what not to do. A lot of times people look at pastor’s kids and they’re like, man, those are some of the toughest kids. Well, there’s a microscope that’s kind of placed upon us and there’s the expectation of our parents’ call
That’s placed on us a lot. And so I grew up feeling that pressure, trying to figure out my identity in the midst of it. And I rebelled really hard when I was in my teen years, totally fell away from the Lord. And at 16 I was at a school of the arts. I thought I was going to have a career in acting, directing and producing. That was a passion of mine. And I had a friend who was emancipated, which means basically that she was living on her own at 17 and I was going to live with her. I’d gotten my birth certificate, social security card, and I was like, I’m done with this Christianity thing done with a religious family. And I stood on the steps of this school of the arts. And for the first time in my life I heard the voice of the Lord for myself.
And the Lord said, choose today, Petra, who you’re going to serve. You’re either going to go all the way for me or you’re going to go all the way in the world. He said, but you choose. It’s your choice. Know this, I am not the church. I want you to know me for me. And that moment was just this catalytic shift in my life. From there I went from being the rebellious pastor’s kid to the, okay dad, what are we doing? What is this ministry thing? That’s the family business. And just passionately fell in love with the church and the work of the church. So at 17 I transferred to a traditional public school, but I graduated a year early and I wanted to go to directly in a ministry. I had a mentor by the name of Vic Nellum who was like, Petra, I think you really should go to school for ministry. And while I was in school for ministry, my dad was transitioning from Promise Keepers with Coach Mack to start this ministry called The Road to Jerusalem. And so here I am freshman in ministry school. I’m a Christian ministry major. I was a biblical studies minor, but a Christian ministry major.
And I was feeling myself. I knew a little bit of theological terms. I could say eschatology three times without stuttering. Could you spell it? I could not spell it yet, but I thought I knew something. And I remember my dad calling me and saying, Hey, coach and I are starting this new ministry and we’re launching one of our first conferences in Palm Springs. It’s not too far from your school. Why don’t you drive up with some of your friends? And I was like, wait a minute, dad, what is this ministry called? He said, the road to Jerusalem. I was like, what is it about? And he was like, Jew and Gentile wanted Messiah. And I’m like, dad, dad, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Went off the deep end. You’ve gone off the deep end. I was like, dad, if you love Jewish people and those circle dances, go to Israel.
Have a great trip, but we’ve got ministry to do in the hood and come back and get serious. Exactly. Come back and get serious. We got people in Africa, we need to save dad. I’m learning these terms. I got a book to write. And so I was very, very confused, almost puzzled at what was this new thing that my dad was getting into and how could I save him from it? And I remember going out, obviously you’re a college student, you just want some free food. So I took, some of my friends went out, and for the first time in my life I met Messianic, Jewish young people, young adults. Many of them now are leading amazing ministries both here in the US and in Israel. But at that time we were all just young people trying to figure out our walk with the Lord. For them it was their walk with Yeshua. For me, it was my walk with Jesus. And I was at the conference and I heard this theology about unity, about the olive tree in Romans 11, Jew and Gentile being grafted in.
I
Heard about the prayer. Jesus prayed in John 17 and I was hearing it, but it wasn’t clicking. I wasn’t understanding it. And I was like, okay, well you know what? It’s not that crazy. These people seem like they love the Lord. Yeah, Jesus culturally was a Jew, but I don’t think this has anything to do with me. Well, it was later that night we had some pizza in my parents’ hotel room and I’m sitting at the table with two messianic young adults and neither of them are in ministry school. Neither of them have been to seminary. I mean the most extensive biblical training they had were bar mitzvahs. Right. And I’m sitting there and I’m like, what’s the big deal about these Jewish folks? It’s like, let’s talk about the word, let me use some of these terms that I know. And we started talking about scripture. We were all just crazy in love with the Lord. And all of a sudden they started just dropping knowledge like Baruch, the Hebrew meaning of this word is, and this context was this. And they weren’t even trying to go deep. It was a natural understanding and revelation. And in that moment for me it was like time stood steal David. It was like the Lord just put pause on my life. I was in a Marvel movie or something.
I appreciate the
Marvel reference for me. Yes, I see you there. And I heard the Holy Spirit say, Petra, you have this real heart and this real passion for seeing the church come out of a religion into relationship with me, but you only know me and my divinity. You don’t know me and my humanity. And the Lord said, these young men that are sitting across me, they grew up, I grew up the things that they know or the things that I knew, the things that they do are the things that I did. And it was like I came back and I looked at ’em and I was like, tell me everything.
It
Was like meeting Messiah all over again. It was meeting my Lord and Savior in this tangible form. And from then on, it really shifted my heart for ministry, my call. And I was really grateful that my dad and coach had really accepted this revelation from the Lord and were a gateway for me to be brought into this understanding as well.
Wow, that’s so good. I’ve heard it said before that Israeli Jewish people, whether they’re believers, non believers, will often struggle with the divinity of Jesus and the church and the Christian more gentile world struggles with the humanity. And so it’s like we need each other. And speaking of needing each other, I know you talk a lot about interdependence, which is a word that I don’t think you typically hear in the church. I hear that word more often in the Jewish community. Interdependence. What is interdependence and why do we need it in the church?
Well, I like to parallel interdependence with unity because a lot of times people think they’re the same thing, but interdependence literally means if you’re not okay, it directly affects me. It affects my life and my being. It’s this picture of
That’s good
Hands and arms being intertwined, right? Unity is this picture of holding hands, but interdependence is like if we all just kind of crossed up our hands and we’re holding them together, if Sarah falls, you’re going to fall and then I’m going to fall. But if we’re just holding hands side by side and Sarah, lets go. We still continue to do what we do. And so interdependence is this.
I’m still chewing on that.
Yeah. It’s this revelation of what I believe is ultimately the Lord’s cry in John 17 is that he’s not just crying out for unity, he’s crying out for his sons and daughters, these Jewish disciples who are later going to bring gentiles to the Lord
And
Bring them into the kingdom, that they be so connected with one another, that if one is hurt and one is wounded, the other is hurt and wounded. If one falls down, the other is going to fall down. And I believe interdependence is really God’s heart for unity. And I feel like generic unity is something is similar to tolerance. We can, Hey, we’re united, we’re all here. We’re loving one another. Everything’s coated, but your life is not affecting mine and mine’s not affecting yours. Interdependence says otherwise.
Yeah. It’s like if somebody else’s wife is hurting, I might have compassion for my friend’s wife, but if my wife is sick, that directly affects everything that I’m going to do that day, that week, because we’re more interdependent than we are
Just there. You are
Unified.
That marriage covenant, that covenantal relationship is the unity or the interdependence that I believe is what the Lord is talking about. When you look at, there’s relationships and then there’s those covenantal relationships. You and your wife are dependent on one another. You look at Ruth and Naomi, a covenantal relationship where you go, I will go. It’s not marriage, but it was a covenantal relationship. Your people are my people, your god’s, my God. We’re interdependent and dependent on each other to the point to where your life affects mine.
Yeah, that’s so good. When you look at the church world, you grew up in the evangelical church world and now you have many relationships with pastors, influencers, just congregations. What do you feel like is the most common confusion regarding Israel, the Jewish people? Why does it matter? What’s that missing? I’m sure there’s multiple missing pieces. What’s one of the missing pieces or the biggest one you
Think? Well, if I have to boil it down to one thing, what I think is missing is two elements. I think respect and honor. And if you even had to boil it down further than that, it takes humility
To
Do both. And when it comes to this message, I remember when my dad and coach first had this revelation kind of funny story, and they were like, we’ve got to tell everybody we know. They had a network of major pastors and leaders from all over the world.
Yeah. Because Promise Keepers was one of the biggest ministries,
Largest Christian men’s ministry to date, to make the impact and influence that they did. Even the march that they did on Washington largest gathering of Christian men, which I know the million women March that just took place was kind of modeled after that. But they had that level of respect and notoriety within the Christian community. So when God gave them this revelation of not just Israel, but what it meant to be in relationship with Messianic Jewish believers and rabbis, I remember them knocking on the doors. I even shadowed them on a couple of visits to leaders that they would talk to and they would say, we’ve missed it. We’ve missed Romans nine, 10, and 11. Yeah,
Totally.
And this idea that we’re grafted in, and I think the church has gotten a little bit hotty and we’ve got to get back
To
Honoring our roots. And I remember just watching them so passionately tell pastors and leaders this and those leaders will look at them and say, I haven’t missed anything. I’ve got 19,000 people saved this year. I’m feeding people all over the city. We’re sending students to mission trips all. What do you mean we’ve missed it? What do you mean we don’t understand it? And immediately what I saw was that to understand God’s heart for Israel, to understand this real revelation of one new man, the prayer that Jesus prayed in John 17 for believing Jew and believing Gentile to be one. It takes a level of humility and honor. It takes the pastors, the churches, the gentile believers to say, I’m a part of a faith that I didn’t originate, nor did my ancestors originate. I’ve been grafted into something. So let me honor that and learn about it. And then on another end, it takes respect on the messianic world to say, man, yeah, the church has not necessarily fully embraced its roots or honored us, but
We
Respect that they do love our Messiah and they have done great works in its name and there are things that we can learn from them. And that honor and respect has to be back to the interdependent analogy. It has to be a very present kind of almost like a blood flow to make that interdependence work.
Yeah. Well, it sounds a lot like marriage. We talk a lot at the Center for Israel. What mandate did God give husbands? He gave the mandate of love your wives and give your life for her the same way that Jesus gave his life for the church.
There it is.
And notice how it wasn’t about him. It wasn’t like husbands be the best husbands that you could possibly be and spend time with me every day. It wasn’t.
And
Then he turns around and tells the wives, honor your husbands and respect your husbands and submit your husbands the way that Jesus is submitted to the Father and the church is submitted to Jesus, but both of their callings are towards each other.
There it is.
So it’s only when they can both see the other as their mandate and their purpose and serving their spouse, will they truly get that blessing in marriage, that unity and that interdependence?
Yeah. Yeah. It’s good. Yeah. It’s amazing how the theme of covenantal relationships that have that what makes ’em covenantal is that interdependent reality that they have to live in and they have to dwell in just how that’s a theme from the relationship between Yeshu and his father. We see he does what his father tells him to do to then he’s saying, model what we do with one another. It’s just this consistent theme all throughout scripture and requires that honor, respect. So let me
Ask you a very specific question.
Okay.
What do you feel like, and this is a big statement, I know you’re not saying this yourself, but what is the church missing if they don’t embrace this? Because obviously it takes humility from a senior pastor to say, like you said, what am I missing? Church is thriving. So what would your response to that be if they’re to ask, what am I missing? Is it just theology? Is it just like, oh yeah, the Jewish peace informs my reading of scripture. Is that what I’m missing? Or what would you say I’m missing?
Ooh, this is a good question. I would say you’re missing out on a full revelation of the kingdom. And what does a full revelation of the kingdom bring? I believe it brings revival. I believe it brings the restoration of God’s will intent for his people. We in Matthew, we pray in the Lord’s prayer, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Right? And I believe it’s the missional, it should be the missional focus of every believer to see the will of heaven manifested here on earth. There is this very real tangible way to experience the Lord. What do I mean by that? To even break it down even more specific, you’re missing out on the full revelation of the kingdom. You’re missing out on fulfilling the prayer of our Lord and Savior. I like to say it this way, John 17, longest prayer that we see in scripture, longest prayer from Jesus. The entire chapter is his prayer. If you talk to any believer from South Korea to Israel, you want to know their priorities. Look at their prayer life. You want to know the number one things that are on their heart,
Look at their prayer. You want to know, know how to attack me. Look at my prayer life because you’re going to see in my prayer life where my values, my priority, where my passion is. Totally. So if we have in scripture the longest prayer, the entire chapters a prayer from the one that we all are interdependent and unified on and following and following Jesus. That’s our common ground. That’s our common denominator is Jesus. If we are not paying attention to that prayer, can we adequately say we’re doing the work of the Father?
And in that prayer, he prays. I mean, the most famous part of that prayer is the unity.
It’s the unity.
And I think many Christians, gentile Christians think he’s talking about unity in the church, right?
Yes. Verse 20 through 23 of that John 17 prayer, he says, my desire is that these, he’s specifically referring to the Jewish disciples that have been following him, that these disciples that I have been with live with done life with, that they would be one as you and I are one, and those that they would later reach to the gospel. So we pause there, we look at Matthew, the Great commission, gogi, therefore teach all nations, who did Jesus give the great commission to? He gave it to his disciples, Jewish disciples in context, he gave it to his Jewish disciples. So if he’s saying, these who know me, and those they would later reach, it was almost like Jesus in that moment was prophesying. They’re going to do this great commission that I’ve given them. They’re going to reach the nations, but I don’t want ’em to just reach the nations. I want them to be one. Then he goes, as you and I are one, because he’s praying to his father. That’s covenantal interdependent unity. So I want them to be one as you and I are one. And he goes on to say this, David, so that the world may believe you sent me,
And I love this Sarah, in verse nine, Jesus says in John 17, you read it. If you haven’t, he says, I am not praying for the world, but I’m praying for those you sent me. When I read this. I said, wait a minute, Jesus, my Lord and Savior, he’s not praying for the world. Stop the tape. Christianity has been, he was for me. How is Jesus not caring about the world? No, he’s saying, I’m not praying for the world. But then he later says their unity, if these two are one, then the world will believe that you sent me. So he is a father that is banking the salvation of the world on the interdependent covenantal unity of his two kids in two groups believing Jew and believing Gentile to be one. He knows how unlikely this is and what that can demonstrate to the world.
I mean, the number of scratch tapes that you have when you read scripture with this context, we skip over when Jesus says, I came only for the last she of the house of Israel.
There it is.
You’re like, someone tell Jesus that he came for the world, please,
Yes.
And you’re like, well, yes. Genesis 12. He chose Abraham so that Abraham would bring all families of the earth into a knowledge of God.
And
That’s what the Jewish people have been doing for centuries is we’re a light to the nations. It’s almost like John 17 and the Great Commission is a, what do they call it? A recapitulation of Genesis 12.
There it is.
He’s taking Israel again. But this is the remnant, the 12 that represent the 12 tribes, which is why they were like, okay, Judas is gone. We got to get another guy in here. Why? Because it has to be 12. It has to be the 12 tribes of Israel, and we’re going to reestablish this Genesis 12 marker. Now, Israel is going to bring all families into the earth, but if we only read it as well, he told the believers to tell all the believers to be in unity.
Yeah, we’re missing it. To add to that, one of the things that I see trip up pastor so much is just that they’re like, well, are we just chopped liver? What do you mean? If everything’s all about Israel and all about the juicy, what about the Gentiles? And I like to share this, and I said, this is what speaks very true to me, is that we see why is this Israel important? Why in the world do I even work for a ministry called the road to Jerusalem? It’s because our God and to bring in the young people’s language, our God is so dope that he will go to great extents to keep his covenants, and that’s the God I want to serve. So if the covenant was made with Abraham, who was the only one on the planet that wanted to have something to do with him, and the blessing given to his descendants, he has sent Yeshua because that covenant got severed. He wanted to what? Restore it. His grace. Mercy sent his only begotten son to keep that covenant intact. But who was the covenant with? It was with Israel. But our God is so amazing. He’s so dope that he says, I’m going to extend this covenant.
He didn’t say, I’m going to end it with them and then just begin it with the Gentiles.
Which if that’s true, I’m so
Good, I’m going to extend it even to the nations. Why would you not want to be a part of that equation of honor? If it was the Japanese, I’d be the road to Tokyo, right? Because all roads lead to God’s plan, which started in Jerusalem, and my friends, he’s coming back to Jerusalem, all roads of the kingdom lead to Jerusalem. And it doesn’t mean we’re left behind or chopped liver as the nations. What it means is we are a part of that because we serve a God who’s faithful to his word. And here’s the thing, this is why I care about Israel. If God broke his word to Israel, he’ll break his word to me. Totally. How can I sing Waymaker miracle worker promise keeper lied in the darkest. How can I sing that and not stand with and support the covenant that he made with Israel? Because he’s not going to be a promise keeper to me if he breaks his covenant with them. So it’s really about deep honor. It’s really about respect and saying, I’m honoring this. I’m about this because this is what I’ve been grafted into what I’ve been, and I’m not a step kid. I’ve got equal access.
Totally. Yeah. I am a son and a daughter there. But it was through adoption is important. Replacement theology, super recession. Theology, which most churches believe kind of inherently. Not that they would preach it from the platform, we believe replacement theology. But that understanding of, well, yeah, God had a covenant with Israel, but it’s really just a foreshadowing of the church. And now he is a covenant with the church now, meaning new covenant, and he doesn’t have the old one anymore. It’s such shallow theology because you’re like, wait, then how should we ever feel secure
In a flakies system ever?
Yeah. Because what if there’s a third group of people that’s way better than
Us and says, forget about them. God’s establishes covenant with us.
So we will say oftentimes replacement theology actually defames the character of God.
Yeah,
Because that’s
So good.
It makes Israel his ex-wife, and we were the new younger bride that he was like, hold up,
Wait,
I want to be married to them now. How secure should that wife feel knowing, oh, wait, am I going to fall too far? Am I going to get too old and not attractive? Is there going to be a third bride? So it actually defames his character and the Romans 11 tree that we’ve been grafted into. And it’s crazy to me that Christians read it, and I don’t know what’s happening. I dunno what they’re reading, but I remember talking to a pastor about the tree, and I said, and now what were the Gentiles? And he said, well, God planted a new tree. And I was like, what? No. Where’s this new tree that you created in your mind? And he was like, wait, there’s not a new tree. I said, no, it’s the same tree. We’re grafted into that tree. Same family adopted into that family. It’s like this is the same analogy just, or a different analogy, but same truth. And it goes back to what you’re saying. If we don’t understand that, then we don’t understand the kingdom. And I think one of the most important pieces for us as well is identity. If we don’t know that we’re adopted,
There it is.
Then we don’t know our place in the family. So what I’ve seen the Christian community do is essentially be adopted into the family, love their father that adopted
Them,
And then convince the natural born children that they need to be adopted. And it’s like, wait, no, no, I was born here. And they’re like, no, you need to be adopted. And they’re like, no, I think you’re confusing our identities. I was born here. You were adopted. That’s not bad because adopted kids and natural born kids have great claims. The natural born claim is I came out of my mother’s womb. That’s special. The adopted claim is, my parents love me so much that they flew halfway across the world paid for me.
And there it is.
So they’re both awesome. And we should look at each other and say, man, your story’s awesome. But instead, the orphan spirit kicks in. We
Say, there it is.
Why do you have something? I don’t. No, you need to be adopted too.
No,
That’s not my identity. So I think we have an identity issue
There. It is. For me, what I find is an anecdote to the orphan spirit into that identity crisis is truly understanding intimacy with the Lord. I know I mentioned it earlier about, for me, the revelation came in understanding Jesus, not just in his divinity, but also in his humanity. And understanding that as a daughter of the Lord that I am seen, I have value in him. There’s healing, there’s freedom. There are all those things that are very essential. But there comes a time and a place in your intimate relationship where you go, it’s not just about me. Go, Lord, you’ve invaded my space. You know what I need? You know what I want? What’s on your heart?
That’s it.
What do you care about? Which is a maturity shift, spiritual maturity shift. But you go from the place of knowing that you’re a son and a daughter secure in your identity as a son and a daughter.
Yeah, totally.
But also knowing that he’s got you and he has a purpose. He has a plan for you. He’s got promises for you. But now full mature intimacy says what’s on your heart? What do you care about? And when you get that perspective of invading God’s space and seeing what’s on his heart, you see Israels at the epicenter. Yeah,
Totally.
And when you see it, you weep for it and you understand it. You don’t feel chopped liver because you know who you are, but you get this relentless passion to help him in the same way he’s helped you, which is covenantal relationship. It’s interdependent relationship.
That’s so good.
Jesus is hurting about this. I’m hurting about
This in a covenant now with his robot with God.
There it is.
Yeah.
That’s so good. There it is.
We’ve talked about the Ju Gentile, like male, female, like husband, wife. And I’ve often realized if I am going to have intimacy with my wife, and if she’s going to have intimacy with me, then she will care about what I care about. I’m a Marvel fan. You saw
The
Comic books in my office, the Thor Hammer. That was a gift to me. That’s a shallow example of something that I love. If she wants intimacy with me, it’s hard. If she says, I love you. I don’t want anything to do with your superheroes to make it even deeper. Sarah, over here, she has gotten remarried and she had a son. And I imagine if you were dating Jeff and he said, Sarah, I love you. I want nothing to do with your son.
Wow. See you later, alligator. You’re out of here. But instead, he grafted him in, loves him. He’s his own. But it’s like,
That’s
Easy.
Every person would say, yeah, if you love Sarah, but you don’t love her son, there’s no way you have a shot with intimacy. But yet, if we don’t see Israel as God’s firstborn,
Which
What he calls him in scripture,
There it is.
And we say, yeah, I want a relationship with you, God, but leave your people out of it no shot. I mean, what’s interesting is he still gives us a shot out of his goodness and grace, but will the intimacy be the same?
There it is. Yeah. I think you’re touching on a point too that I think is very, it’s not often talked about in this space with the church in Israel, but it should be talked about is if this relationship between Jew and Gentile is at the top priority of the Lord’s hearts, the prayer that he prayed, then it’s the thing that the enemy is going to attack the most. Totally.
A hundred percent.
And the spiritual warfare that is on this is also something that’s really important to take note of, especially in light of the times that we’re in with the war that’s happening in Israel right now. I’ve found myself saying to people that ask questions about Israel and things like that, I ask ’em, I say, what’s your motive in wanting to understand? Why do you want to understand? Do you want to argue? Do you want to? And when you kind of ask people, what’s your motive? And they’re like, well, what you’re saying is attacking what I receive from my spiritual father or my spiritual mother, or what I’ve known. And I’ve learned in that moment that even for those of us that have a revelation of this, the grace that’s needed for us to see that the enemy wants us to almost become frustrated with people that don’t understand or that don’t get it, but to stop and say, where’s the warfare coming from? Totally. Where’s the truth? Where’s the lie? What’s at the root of why someone may have a hard time with Israel? I talked to a lady, she was deeply wounded by a Jewish neighbor.
It may seem irrational, but nothing I could say could convince her of this because she couldn’t associate Jesus with someone who had hurt her that was from his culture. And so even the context of just really being intentional about purity, like, Lord, purify our hearts, purify our eyes, give us grace and patience for those that we’re trying to educate and bring into this understanding and also show us how they need to hear it. Every pastor won’t receive it the same. They will receive it when they see that there’s the Holy Spirit involved and that it can translate and transcend to the work that God has given them. Last thing I’ll say to that part is that I always like to say this concept of embracing Israel relationship with Jewish believers. It’s not to eradicate the work you’ve done as a church or as a pastor that’s been doing successful things. It’s not to change. It’s not to make the congregation Jewish. It’s to enhance,
That’s
The word. It’s to enhance the work you’re doing by making it more applicable to the heart of the Father in the mission of the kingdom. So good.
Oh, man. Love it. Well, we are out of time, but this has been so rich. Thank you for spending time with Check out the Road to Jerusalem. If you have questions, if you have thoughts, if you want to connect with Petra or anyone down there. Thank you so much for spending time with us. Thank you. So
Amazing for having that. And Sarah, I love the work you guys are doing with Gateway Center for Israel. It is revolutionary, and I’m proud to be in relationship with you all.
Amen. Amen.
Praise
God.